8005 Transmission of moment in Fa Jin on impact

8005 Transmission of moment in Fa Jin on impact

Round 1

Hello Mr. Pang,

I have looked at some of your videos and at your two websites. Very interesting.

I have a couple of questions. Do you personally speak any English? Also, could you

explain in a little more detail in regards to what exactly is involved in your

“King Prime Session”. If possible, can you please provide some details about

what this is, and what it involves? From the website description in English, I am still not

clear at all about what this is about exactly. I am located in Canada by the way and have

an interest in tai chi.

Regards,

Ed

Ed,

Thanks for your inquiry. And it is always delighting to find someone sharing the same interest.

I was a graduate from University of HK and has been a science teacher for decades. I am now retired to develop and promote our fa jin mechanics which has the engine beneficial to tai chi, martial art, sport and evening daily running and walking back up from my bio-physical background. I has been study Zhao Bao tai chi for 30 years. Until several years ago, I crack open the internal mechanism by modern bio-physics momentum impacting power by body weight used in mysterious power of tai chi fa jin.

Consolidating from my tai chi teaching experience, the prime session is for setting up the machinery for jin management. There has been many different saying about the secret power, like door, spring coil, pendulum etc, but no one know how to use it. I use a gyroscopic picture to fix all these into a single entity for learning which become easy to learn and for comprehension. During the Prime, I will set up the five parts and one can see the basic mechanics behinds and will also help you to test the bio-physics structures in limited scenario. Health issue especially knee and backbone joints will also be mentioned as it affect the functioning of the gyroscope structure.  If a student is good at physics and has internal kung Fu experience, the student is likely to get a general direction of what is internal kung Fu, from the gyroscope. That is why is call prime.

I want to break through the barrier of traditional fist houses in martial art and set up the King Tai Chi Academy which use the common language of biophysics to discuss and investigate, and open a platform for all sports to communicate. The word ‘King’ means the universal law of momentum(a branch of physics for explanation of the impacting power) that all grands master living in this universe has to obey the rule, that is why it is called King. We are the first one went back to the King, we are not the king, do not misunderstand.

Thereafter, there are fundamental change in learning tai chi fa jin real kung Fu. Together with my students, several also in Canada, but mostly from HK, I still have to finish my third book about the teaching application to finish my task in this area. I am also taking them to do web TV program so as to let people know about us. My students, though not many in number compare to those coming, but are of very high quality, they either has very strong martial art background, middle class professional, subtle mind businessmen always bring along with their previous problems and even email other grand master performance to me. So far, none remain unsolved by our physics law pf momentum. They help me a lot to polish our application of the King rule and I become very confident on our future profound impact to the world. The jin mechanics is really the platform for communication and discussion for rapid learning, and outstanding performance in sport areas. The Prime is first session to enter this safe, interesting and mentally relaxing martial art imagination.

Our web is of course used for promoting our news and it is also functioned as a textbook for the subject Jin Mechanics for open self learning. There are total over  several hundreds pages of doc and video clips designated to assign public and members for self learning at their own pace and very economic cost. But the web has further implication once we get the kick off. Our student who has the experience can organise their classes locally, if they are members, we can send out lesson guide to support the running of classes. Charge course fee or not, it is up to the member master who organise it. We wish we can extend our influence rapidly through this school franchise mode, not the traditional master and student mode. The Jin Mechanics is based on the King 12 moves(edit from 6 moves of the Zhao Bao style) so that students could learn the mechanics as early as possible. However, we are still restricted our influence to our Cantonese speaking population. We are not yet have enough resource to tackle the Putonghua/Mandarin from Chinese populations and English speakers from the world.

The Prime is for those who can visit us just for very short while but want to know the basic of the fa jin power. We still try to schedule time slot to accommodate them even if they want to transfer the engine to other martial art or sport. If oversea student has sufficient time and is confident about our jin mechanics, they can join our 10 hour oversea class afterwards to be finished within one week to understand our mechanics system with bird eye view. I charge a standard rate of HK $ each hour as in the Prime lesson.

If I did not unveil the jin mechanics, there are definitely some other people, perhaps a century later, will when they gather solid fa jin experience, has a thorough understanding of the physics law of momentum in fa jin power due to experience of decades science teaching, understand the human biological structure that applied the momentum rule. I also have extensive writing experience when I was a biology teacher in HK, 3 local newspapers, several biology books, one is still on the market, all bilingual.

There are several ways of learning King Tai Chi, tai chi based on universal law of physics, explained in the two webs. Personal oversea web classes are available. Inside the web, the doc 0525 is the personal dairy web learning record of a student Clarence Ng from USA over almost one year. The doc 8003 is another student trying to use my book shell items for web learning whom is also our Academy member from Canada. It is a kind of Worked-example learning method from cognitive science. Both are very experience martial art participants.

Once you can feel and enjoy the benefits, please help to pass our information to your friends and relatives. Our real cases, the knee joint pain recovered after my theme talk. Backbone pain relieved after correction of posture. Of course these were due to wrong damaging posture adapted somewhere, I am not a doctor but use the human skeletal structure wisely to the limit through the King 12 Moves.

Patrick Ho’s 10 years phobia from immense pressure in financial sector recovered after one year. It is due to the interesting nature that the students discovered that they can be much more powerful than they know themselves if they try out the mechanics through the internal contraction and relaxation coordination in their skeletal structure to form the human gyroscope to handle giving out the power of body weight. We adapted a very safe mode of interactive practise called freeze fa jin which also force the student to think of a way to use pure body weight power, Not the limb muscle contraction. So that they can achieve tossing people into the air without obvious movement, externally. The ‘freeze’ stop the defense action innately of the moves and erase the potential health risk. I am going to give it some more interesting element and will rename it as the game call Kung Fu Marble that toss people away safely and interestingly.

At this stage, I need to train up person and if you have question, please feel free to discuss with me. Or if you can help in other matter, please voice out. What kind of martial arts you are learning? If with time, you can share your view.

Our profound impact on the tai chi history will not be smaller than any of the great names.

Best regards
William Pang
King Tai Chi Academy

Round 2

Dear Mr. Pang,
Thank you very much for the detailed reply. My own personal experience with tai chi is not very extensive,
consisting of about six years of learning tai chi in the 1980’s of a variation of the yang tai chi long
form and push hands with a teacher in Toronto, Canada at that time. I did not continue my tai chi practice much beyond
the 1980’s as I became busy with college and then work. Recently however I have become interested in tai chi again and I
wish I had continued my tai chi practice through the years. I am now in my fifties. At any rate I am interested in taking
up tai chi again so I have been doing some research on different systems and teachers that are teaching these days.
If I understand correctly, your approach is to analyze and explain ‘fa jin’ solely in terms of body mechanics and physics and biology
while avoiding traditional concepts such as chi/qi/hay and meridians and channels and that sort of thing altogether?
My view in regards to what you have described is that it is very interesting to be sure, but the possible obstacles
I see from my perspective may be some degree of skepticism that people who don’t already have a lot of years of experience in tai chi or
other internal martial arts can truly master the essence of fa jing in just one to three years or so, and also skepticism that demonstrations
by students of your system on other students does not actually involve a lot of cooperation amongst students in allowing them self
to be pushed around easily without trying to resist very much. Since people who live far away in other countries can’t very easily just drop by
your classes and experience in person what your students can really do when pushing someone who is trying not to allow them self to be thrown
off balance easily, it is quite hard to assess. I personally am open minded about such things, but it is hard to assess the real
skill accomplishment of your students from just looking at some videos.
Another obstacle I see is for people who live in other countries and do not have the opportunity to drop in to classes and get some first hand experience
on what you and your students are capable of, I think it might also be hard for people to be willing to travel to Hong Kong…, which is quite a lot of money for the average Canadian) for an hour of teaching of the fa jin ‘primer’, especially when it is maybe not so clear to non-Cantonese
speakers what this session involves exactly. My understanding is that this primer involves you showing the student the mechanics of how to align the body
and how to move properly to facilitate fa jin, and by employing the analogy of a gyroscope, or am I not understanding correctly?
Can this fa jin primer session be learned from a video, or does it need to be learned in person? If it can be learned from a video, is such a video available
in English as part of your web course?
I read on one of your websites that you will be releasing a book in English on your fa jin methods/king tai chi methods?
If so, will this book be going into specific details on your fa jin theory and techniques, or what will be included in this English book?
I think such a book in English that goes into details on theory and techniques could help English speakers to understand much better
what your system entails. Also, when approximately are you expecting the release of the English book? In the mean time I will review
your websites some more to try to understand more about what you are teaching. Is much of the teaching material and videos you offer
through the web in English yet, or is much of it only available in Cantonese at the current time?
I don’t wish to take too much of your time, so please only answer if/when you have some time.
Regards,
Ed
Dear Ed,
Thanks for explaining your background and your critical opinion.
Thanks for your insight and my though maked ??? for your consideration:
If I understand correctly, your approach is to analyze and explain ‘fa jin’ solely in terms of body mechanics and physics and biology while avoiding traditional concepts such as chi/qi/hay and meridians and channels and that sort of thing altogether?
??? Yes, we can do that but I got my experience from my teacher and she taught it with the traditional terms mentioned by you. There is also other ancient saying brought forwards by my students from various source and we know the modern term meaning from bio-physics. In my second book which is still in Chinese, named Jin Mechanics-Zhao Bao Style, I mentioned that although I reperform those ten famous master performance, I use only the modern theory to achieve it. And I did not change any of the fa jin skills, ie, I use the same fa jin skills. That is why I always say, I did not make any change in both the observable external move from my teacher and use the same internal lever employed by all grand masters.  There is also an interesting doc about the Eastern and Western Masters thoughts, you should read it, it is inside the Paradigm Corner, with English.
My view in regards to what you have described is that it is very interesting to be sure, but the possible obstacles I see from my perspective may be some degree of skepticism that people who don’t already have a lot of years of experience in tai chi or other internal martial arts can truly master the essence of fa jing in just one to three years or so, and also skepticism that demonstrations
??? A physics teacher who later become a Chinese medical doctor Dr Chan, master the skills real quick. A architect professional Ben can perform a strong stand to my same level that I can no longer fly him to the air after about two years. Tonight another call KL did achieve the same level whom not from science background after similar length of training in my public Tue class.   Another computer man can follow closely although need some conceptual adjustment, Anthony. Many of them come far away from corner of HK and Ben always rush to the class with his travel luggage! We can achieve it fast the high level because we understand the physics, thus can break it into logical pieces for effective learning. The physics terms for communication form a strong and effective platform for passing of the skills and knowledge. It is because we can understand it and thus can break it into reasonable pieces for common people learning. With traditional words, it is just not possible because the tai chi diagram is a generalize diagram for mnemonic purpose in jin mechanic, Not for understand of the mechanism occurring in the universe as fixed by Isaac Newton!
by students of your system on other students does not actually involve a lot of cooperation amongst students in allowing them self to be pushed around easily without trying to resist very much. Since people who live far away in other countries can’t very easily just drop by your classes and experience in person what your students can really do when pushing someone who is trying not to allow them self to be thrown
off balance easily, it is quite hard to assess. I personally am open minded about such things, but it is hard to assess the real skill accomplishment of your students from just looking at some videos.
???Yes, it is very difficult to verify this even if I could told more of their stories revealing their high morale and interest. My students are able to give advice on each others moves and their discussion is always in high morale. Even if we have the real thing, we still have to think of proper ways to tell the world especially those cannot attend the class for a personal touch. Our web was set in order to try to overcome a very minimal of the problem. It is also the reason that all my students comes from contact left in Books and web site and video. I can only deal with those who try to compare and search via the internet, very advance learners at least in their problem solving capability. There are many students in other houses, that they train their students to response unfairly. But this is another long story.
Another obstacle I see is for people who live in other countries and do not have the opportunity to drop in to classes and get some first hand experience on what you and your students are capable of, I think it might also be hard for people to be willing to travel to Hong Kong and pay HK $3000 (about $500 Canadian, which is quite a lot of money for the average Canadian) for an hour of teaching of the fa jin ‘primer’, especially when it is maybe not so clear to non-Cantonese speakers what this session involves exactly. My understanding is that this primer involves you showing the student the mechanics of how to align the body and how to move properly to facilitate fa jin, and by employing the analogy of a gyroscope, or am I not understanding correctly?
??? Yes, we do not have much the resource yet and that is why I let everybody, whom I can contact,  know what we are doing and what we can and cannot do and what can you help on your side.  Also most student coming to meet me in HK did finish their home work and learn mostly the King 12 Moves before arrival on the web. And they do join the Oversea course of 10 hour. Not the Prime lesson. As they already test and trial out my knowledge and skills before coming during the previous communication. They are mostly successful businessman or middle class professionals and is very sharp and critical in their mind and use of money too. And they are also very senior in their age and you age is below the average of my group. I did not have young student. The Prime is for those who do not have initiate contact and experience and do not want to involve too much before for sure.  The excitement among my students cannot be hidden because they would not be happy if they have to do fake to themselves, what for? Will you pay to pretend yourself very happy while coming to practise is tightening their very busy family and business schedule? I do not employ them, instead they pay me the school fee! One of my students said he looks for teacher who can have students performing the same level and the student must not be his son! Think his logic behind! I did not known any teacher will encourage many his students to stand out in Youtube videos as me. I have fives students writing the second books preface and they all come to my first day of book signature event in Cosmos Books. I did not see any other writer doing comparable in number. What is this picture means? One has his business appointment finish early as possible and his driver drive for several hours to come. They are all extremely busy men! At the end of the same book, there are still others students writing their stories. When I ask my student in secondary school to do thing for me, I have to convince them I am a respectful person, if not you will be neglected!
Can this fa jin primer session be learned from a video, or does it need to be learned in person? If it can be learned from a video, is such a video available in English as part of your web course?
???As you know, after the web was make open beginning of this year, we quickly find out that, it cannot go into China area and it cannot went to English speaker also. Thus I add a complete English translation for it but there are restraint in the system template which I cannot overcome and the Apps company is not willing to overcome. Even if for Cantonese speaker, we have the video, a final personal touch is inevitable. It is because in theory you know, but in a touch, you feel yourself so strong that you never think of. That is the words from my oversea student in their final touch trip.
I read on one of your websites that you will be releasing a book in English on your fa jin methods/king tai chi methods? If so, will this book be going into specific details on your fa jin theory and techniques, or what will be included in this English book?I think such a book in English that goes into details on theory and techniques could help English speakers to understand much better what your system entails. Also, when approximately are you expecting the release of the English book?
???Yes, I have to finish my work in this area by finish this book. Several of my student suggested me not to do so because the currently two books are good enough, it could safe me time and energy by just doing translation or editing. However, the previous two allows me to take the first one to achieve the modernization task, but I want it to go into the English speaking world and demo that I am not just a talker of theory, but a person who can apply what was written can be applied and benefited participants. I wrote over half of the articles already, but still a lot to take care and edit.
In the mean time I will review your websites some more to try to understand more about what you are teaching. Is much of the teaching material and videos you offer through the web in English yet, or is much of it only available in Cantonese at the current time?
???Yes, please try to do your own study. You may follow 8003 for the sequence of your own study. The study can be done totally free, OR pay HK$600 as annual membership fee for access of all materials, OR enroll the guided study at the level you think you cannot get it through. At the time we set up the Apps, I use only Cantonese which has a ‘c’ with it. Thus you can search those book shell item with a ‘e’ for English which I made up later for some important doc. Similarly, a ‘p’ stand for Putonghua. If there is no such classification words attached onto the title of the Youtube, it means it is an action which does not relate to speaking medium. Please look into the shell and explanation carefully before purchase. You can discuss with me the action if you are a member and I will give you some direction and hints as exampled in the 8003. Learn by worked-example is also a good and effective way. Currently, I stop my writing and have to prepare a web TV program with a production house. I will try to convince them to add in English words for the 30 min X 12 programme. I hope they can do so, if not, I will do it myself … only later. I am very confident that we got the real substance but has to tell, though still slowly with steady progress!
I don’t wish to take too much of your time, so please only answer if/when you have some time
???Thanks and you are very polite and humble as several of my students at their initiate contact with me. In fact all your concern are not new to me as many of my students are also politely point out to me, several time at least already. I am the one who has the vision and truth and that is why I must  keep on telling others about what I see. I am still the first pioneer in this revolutionary moment of tai chi! Once the student get on the tract, he can testify himself. Tell you an interesting fact, a student who learn the real substance dare to tell their background and achievement. Comparing the first beginning, they are all very humbly say, like, only play in …, know little…, with friends…, etc to cover their real strong  background. Almost all like reading martial art books and once anyone talk about some hero, they other will expose their real background. From my point, I always welcome their sharing of difference fist houses experience, because I am setting up a modern school not a martial art house with many restriction imposed on. I suggest you to join us as a member so that you will be discussing with me on your self learning path. If you purchase book shell items, you can have my direction. I could not come across too many people and that is why I always try to convince those whom I can, so that our way could be made known not too late. I may consider posting your case in Forum if it is found useful to my members learning.
Wish you good health and waive from pressure.
William
Round 3
Dear Mr. Pang,
Thank you again for the detailed reply. To clarify, I was not saying that I personally hold the critical assumptions
that I mentioned in my previous email, but I was pointing out that some if not many people may make such
assumptions and may well hold to such views.
The web TV series you mentioned should be a good way for you to get more public exposure.
It would be great if the publishing company could add some English sub-titles to the videos,
or include a separate English translation. If not, then so be it. 🙂
Also, regarding students possibly not trying to resist being pushed around too much, I wasn’t suggesting
that students would do this to intentionally deceive others, but it appears this does happen at least in some cases more
at an unconscious level. I have personally witnessed this odd effect with one tai chi master who I visited in
my area about a year ago or so. He was demonstrating to me how he could make his students stumble off balance
by just touching his students lightly and that sort of thing, seemingly by just using his intention. He then asked me
to press on his one arm with my two hands while he stood in the Yang tai chi ward off position. He then raised his free arm
with his palm facing to my side and I was supposed to be made to go off balance and stumble away, but it did
not work at all with me. I was not doing anything special at all. I just stood as he asked me to stand, and I tried to maintain
my balance. I did not feel anything out of the ordinary, and I did not go off balance at all. He had just demonstrated the
exact same thing with one of his senior students and the senior student went off balance and stumbled a bit to the side.
I don’t think his student was intentionally faking anything, as the student seemed to be completely convinced that his tai chi teacher
had some mysterious ability to make him go off balance, with his teacher not making any noticeable movement at all other
than raising his free arm up into the air beside his student’s body, and apparently using his intention to make the student go off balance.
The strange thing is this had no effect at all on me when the tai chi teacher tried to demonstrate the exact same thing on me.
I don’t have a definite explanation for it other than the student was possibly unconsciously complying due to suggestibility,
or the teacher really could influence his student in some mysterious way but for some reason it did not work on me.
I think however that given what happened, most people would assume the student was complying unconsciously with
what he thought should happen, due to something like suggestibility/hypnosis. There would have been no point for the student
to fake the results, as the teacher tried the exact same thing on myself. I am just mentioning this odd effect for interest sake
to show that at least in some cases, the students may do odd things even though they are apparently not at all consciously trying to
deceive anyone.
There is another such martial arts teacher in the UK who has his students flying all over the place with the teacher barely showing
any obvious movement at all when he sends them flying. For this teacher as well, I think it may possibly also be some sort of hypnosis effect
that he has over some of his students. I have come across Youtube videos of other such martial arts teachers from other countries that also
show similar effects in some of their posted videos. Please understand that I am not suggesting that I think this is what is happening with your students,
as I don’t think that is the case, as what you do in your school is apparently different, involving actual physical techniques, from what I understand
anyway, but I was just pointing out how in some martial arts schools the students may not at all be trying to deceive anyone, and the students really
believe that they are being thrown around by some unusual/mysterious method when in some cases at least they seem to be displaying some sort of odd
suggestibility effect.  It is because of several of those types of videos being posted to places such as youtube that I think many people
may be inclined to be very skeptical to anything that appears even somewhat similar to those videos. I personally have met a few teachers who
were able to demonstrate very unusual effects of a different sort that defy ordinary explanations of physics and biology, but such teachers appear to
fairly rare these days.
I don’t mind if you use any of my private correspondence with you in your internal forum, as long as you don’t
post my full name anywhere in such forums or web pages or elsewhere. You can just use my first name ‘Ed’
or ‘Ed D.’ to refer to me, if you wish. Since that doesn’t reveal my last name, that should be fine. I will take a closer look at your
web material as I have time, and I may join your annual membership once I look further into what is offered on the web pages.
I won’t be able to use the Android app I don’t believe, as I don’t have an Android device to use the app with. I will have to access
the web pages directly from the website only. Does that work?
Two last questions for you for the time being. 🙂 If you have time to answer at some point, that would be great.
Thank you again for all your time getting back to me.
1) If I do not have someone to practice the fa jin practices against (I really don’t right now), is there any point for me
to try to learn your system? Can I practice against heavy objects or something like that and still learn, or do I
really need someone else to practice these techniques with?
2) Is your main goal to build up a profitable business with this material, or is your main goal to get these
methods and theories of yours out to as many people as are interested, and making profits is not a major concern to you?
I am just trying to understand your overall goal with your efforts in this regard.
Best regards,
Ed
Dear Ed,
Sharing view as follows.
Thank you again for the detailed reply. To clarify, I was not saying that I personally hold the critical assumptions that I mentioned in my previous email, but I was pointing out that some if not many people may make such assumptions and may well hold to such views.
???Thanks and I want to share my thought with a friend like you too in this opportunity.
The web TV series you mentioned should be a good way for you to get more public exposure.
It would be great if the publishing company could add some English sub-titles to the videos,
or include a separate English translation. If not, then so be it. 🙂
???They are very small and that is why they will pay effort to look for potential partner for healthy development. I am still entangle in the scripts.
Also, regarding students possibly not trying to resist being pushed around too much, I wasn’t suggesting that students would do this to intentionally deceive others, but it appears this does happen at least in some cases more
at an unconscious level. I have personally witnessed this odd effect with one tai chi master who I visited in my area about a year ago or so. He was demonstrating to me how he could make his students stumble off balance by just touching his students lightly and that sort of thing, seemingly by just using his intention. He then asked me
to press on his one arm with my two hands while he stood in the Yang tai chi ward off position. He then raised his free arm with his palm facing to my side and I was supposed to be made to go off balance and stumble away, but it did not work at all with me. I was not doing anything special at all. I just stood as he asked me to stand, and I tried to maintain my balance. I did not feel anything out of the ordinary, and I did not go off balance at all. He had just demonstrated the exact same thing with one of his senior students and the senior student went off balance and stumbled a bit to the side. I don’t think his student was intentionally faking anything, as the student seemed to be completely convinced that his tai chi teacher had some mysterious ability to make him go off balance, with his teacher not making any noticeable movement at all other than raising his free arm up into the air beside his student’s body, and apparently using his intention to make the student go off balance.
The strange thing is this had no effect at all on me when the tai chi teacher tried to demonstrate the exact same thing on me. I don’t have a definite explanation for it other than the student was possibly unconsciously complying due to suggestibility, or the teacher really could influence his student in some mysterious way but for some reason it did not work on me. I think however that given what happened, most people would assume the student was complying unconsciously with what he thought should happen, due to something like suggestibility/hypnosis. There would have been no point for the student to fake the results, as the teacher tried the exact same thing on myself. I am just mentioning this odd effect for interest sake to show that at least in some cases, the students may do odd things even though they are apparently not at all consciously trying to deceive anyone.
???Most traditional teacher including my teacher, combine the grab, defense intention of the move and internal kung Fu together to do demo to students and the students are adapted to such kind of interaction. Sometime even the teacher show the slightest movement, they fly away due to pass tunning and contact painful experience. The student do not resist the teacher during the process. Those teacher who dare to invite the public to a trial has some skills but with no concept of the physics law and they even believe they can do it without a touch because they base their understanding and deduction on the tradition tai chi double fish diagram, not the mechanic of physics which function on lever system with physical touch. There are different stream from my teacher, I am the only one focusing on the fa jin by internal body weight and eliminate the grab and defense risk of hurting each other, thus by tossing people into the air in freeze fa jin or kung Fu marble exercise. It focus on the middle age group needs. I also explain the grab and defensive skills separately without internal fa jin because a combination of them will definitely hurt. The teacher inviting public is, to certain degree got something real from among the three, but they go on with extending imagination, not with Physics, that is why I said the universal law is the king governing the demonstration, and even the grand masters has to observe, obey and humble before the king with no exception. In addition, because I am not on the spot, some teacher have internal fa jin power, but they do not understand the Perfect Elasticity condition for a 100% transfer of momentum, according to rule of conservation of momentum in transfer. It is a bit difficult but the situation is similar to the bombardment of snooker ball. The surface of the two ball must be hard and the CG is moving directly onto that surface. Then the momentum impacting power can be transfer in a bare touch, within split of second instantaneously. To replicate such a effect is important for the demo to have excitement and the audience could understand by seeing. If the jin receiver released its skeleton and he will be just like a snooker ball with a blue tape and will not be tossed away and without excitement at all from audience. Some student said, then I will release and so you cannot fly me away. Think of the real situation, if someone give a palm strike, will you keep soft and let the strike hurting you and knock you out. Once you inject you arm with strength, the contacting surface is now constructing an elastic surface and the jin can pass on. Still your leg can relax and keep sticking onto the ground, but with your upper backbone moving away, you are tearing your backbone ligament off, a very big hazard to your health. The proper way to do it is to bound yourself, the whole body, into the snooker ball and fly away, that is eat the jin. This is for demonstration with excitement and safety reason. Just a single jin, no grab and no defensive move. Both parties are happy and in fact this is the basic of jin Bound which connect all body parties into a single entity with hard elastic surface. One day when the jin receiver know how to do fa jin, he could use the same bound rack to let go out his internal jin while the fa jin person can learn more about his jin power and direction by observing the flying away feature.
There is another such martial arts teacher in the UK who has his students flying all over the place with the teacher barely showing
any obvious movement at all when he sends them flying. For this teacher as well, I think it may possibly also be some sort of hypnosis effect
that he has over some of his students. I have come across Youtube videos of other such martial arts teachers from other countries that also
show similar effects in some of their posted videos. Please understand that I am not suggesting that I think this is what is happening with your students, as I don’t think that is the case, as what you do in your school is apparently different, involving actual physical techniques, from what I understand
???As mentioned above. If the student move their leg first, then it could be a fake. Compare to my student Master Albert Wong, his invention Dare A Touch the Belly, the jin receiver move the body board first, not the leg. One of my student, Chinese medical Dr Chu, he told me about his experience about Qigong, because he is very knowledgeable in different martial kung Fu, I open a file for this category to collect and stock up information, in an X-file(Qigong) in my mind. This is a usual situation that I has been dealing with Biological life, Tai Chi, Biblical study, Cosmology of space-time. All I come up with a complete understanding after long year search on the huge data base gathered in respective X-files. For X-file(Qigong), I still do not have the key to open it yet and also I do not study it yet. If it were not our respectable Dr Chu told me many of the situation he came across, I will not open a file for this subject. But I always mention, if it need a mechanical touch, so far none remain unsolved, but for those with Qigong, I know nothing about.
anyway, but I was just pointing out how in some martial arts schools the students may not at all be trying to deceive anyone, and the students really
believe that they are being thrown around by some unusual/mysterious method when in some cases at least they seem to be displaying some sort of odd  suggestibility effect.  It is because of several of those types of videos being posted to places such as youtube that I think many people
may be inclined to be very skeptical to anything that appears even somewhat similar to those videos. I personally have met a few teachers who
were able to demonstrate very unusual effects of a different sort that defy ordinary explanations of physics and biology, but such teachers appear to
fairly rare these days.
??? Same comment, I know nothing about something relating to Qigong. But if it need a mechanical touch, I definitely can fix out the reason after sorting away those entangling grab and defense moves because no grand master can claim exception while still living in this universe.
A short story from our past. Our Master Albert Wong, he was very popular among Chinese community because of his creative mind inventing the Dare a Touch on the Belly. He promote our tai chi in many media and I even give my first book to him as gift for him do his promotion activities. There is not any secret deal in-between and just because he enjoy the benefit of this tai chi helping him from up-and-down of life, he spend almost 10 millions HK dollar to tell the world about this. But I did not get any cents and also donate my Zhao Bao Tai Chi- Unveiling the Secret of Fa Jin. But once upon a time Apple daily send a report to try him and because Albert is not able to fly him away(the reporter was unlocking the arm), the newspaper write he is lying. But Albert was CEO of a listed company, why he has to do fake. He is also not teaching tai chi at all! He just think that this tai chi can help others. But anyway after this incident I started to tune student to receive the jin properly in according to the Prefect Elasticity principle. There are many masters who do not paid attention to tune jin receiver and one even have her students standing like a mummy, they are not even able to stand good even with no pressure from master.  It has no help to the jin receiver and fa jin person. We are now quite fair that the jin receiver do not press again the fa jin person nor jump away by himself, no jin no move, jin come fly away like marble into the air. But with no concept of Conservation of Momentum, I could understand why they do not know how to tune the jin receiver.  During the interactive pushing hand or fa jin, in fact we can unlock proper joint to dissolve the external force without actual movement, jin by mind, but this is another story. Just to relax arm joint to avoid the jin coming is not a proper way to test strength of Dare a Touch the Belly for our Albert. If the reporter want a fight , then our Albert should not let him know what is him going to do fa jin. But this may hurt. Albert let him know, expecting him to eat the jin and understand how the jin can be fired, it is a demonstration, not a fight. The ground for them are different.
I don’t mind if you use any of my private correspondence with you in your internal forum, as long as you don’t post my full name anywhere in such forums or web pages or elsewhere. You can just use my first name ‘Ed’ or ‘Ed D.’ to refer to me, if you wish. Since that doesn’t reveal my last name, that should be fine. I will take a closer look at your
???Thanks and that is my usual way of doing it.
web material as I have time, and I may join your annual membership once I look further into what is offered on the web pages.I won’t be able to use the Android app I don’t believe, as I don’t have an Android device to use the app with. I will have to access the web pages directly from the website only. Does that work?
???You are experience in this too. The web carry all function and details, the App with extra promotional material which you can found by searching the keywords provided in the Convenient Shop. The web serve as a textbook and many interesting dialogue and worth you to look into. You can still download it even if you are using other system as I remember. But the web www.kingtaichi.org serve the same function.
Two last questions for you for the time being. 🙂 If you have time to answer at some point, that would be great.Thank you again for all your time getting back to me.
1) If I do not have someone to practice the fa jin practices against (I really don’t right now), is there any point for me to try to learn your system? Can I practice against heavy objects or something like that and still learn, or do I really need someone else to practice these techniques with?
???Inside the 8003 doc, Patrick is using worked example for learning in which you imitate the fa jin action and try to find out how the gyroscope can act to produce the momentum. OR follow the King12 Moves and then try to understand how the first few jin works. It is quite difficult to perform on your own without theory backup and with no one to interact with.
2) Is your main goal to build up a profitable business with this material, or is your main goal to get these methods and theories of yours out to as many people as are interested, and making profits is not a major concern to you? I am just trying to understand your overall goal with your efforts in this regard.
??? I retired when I became financial independent. At the same time, I discover that I am not far away from those big names with my revolutionary modern physic king tai chi. Thus I decide to finish the laying foundation works and thereafter, who know if I can be popular or not. Of course, I am aiming to achieve a balance for living expenses during these transition period. If I can be recognized by the world, profit will come most naturally, but if not, so what, I still will have my name engraved in the history of taichi development, and I still have my retire life. The most unfortunately, I become famous after I pass away. Thus it is crucial to work a bit more harder to ensure this happen while I still remain alive! I would not resist profit but I have sufficient for my family from my investment.  That is why I can work pure heart for the development of tai chi physics, not like tradition masters they depends the teaching solely for a living. At the moment, I need to cultivate more students in case to handle the blooming opportunity if it were to come! I also have to finish the third book. The web TV program may provide an kicking off opportunity for blooming if things go right, who knows? God helps those who help themselves first! Finish our work and wait to see!
Wish to see you in our web, it is fully manual and call me this email if you got problem.
Best regards
William

Round 4

Ed,
Thanks and you are quite capable of searching via internet. In fact I got a student Randy who is a master teaching the big frame of Zhao Bao and I got the links several times from different source.
Once upon a time, one student ask me about the other tai chi form and according to his knowledge from King tai chi, he said the move is no good to the knee. I have no comments as I only learn the high or small frame in past years. They may have their reason of doing so but I do not learn any of their form and logic before. However, from our side of the expertise, I can tell you with certainty why we do that and why we do not do that. I would not do that because of bio-physics reason of fa jin, but I do not know their way. In fact, there are quite a lot of similar incident in a lot of sports. One of my student who practice thousand time boxing each days got his inter-cartilage disc wearing off because constant squeezing point pressure on the cartilage edge and collapse it and got bone spine now because he is not aware of the of diligent waving effect on same backbone joint for decades.
For the big frame, I have no experience but it got more muscle exercise compare to us.
Our own high frame, work more closely on the gyroscopic principle as it turn on top of a high pillar which is easier in socket structure. Another matter is the potential energy available for turning into knenetic energy has more reserve on a high frame rack. Think carefully, once the thigh bone fall to a horizontal manner the knee will be pushing out like snooker stick hitting outwards to the ball surface. When it approaching the horizontal line, the speed reduce due to structural constraint. When it fall below horizontal line, the snooker stick is pulling backward and the momentum is of negative value and no use at all. See whether you can fix this out in geometry. Yes, the high frame is specially designed for fa jin practice. Did you see any person who is having a real fight is not using a high frame standing?
The most valuable asset inside the web is my experience and advice which only the member can enjoy.  And you will be kept inform of similar discussion about fa jin once when a member ignite the discussion.
Best regards
William
Dear Mr. Pang,
Thank you for your comment regarding small frame/high frame.  That is very interesting.
This last question is just based on what I have come to understand from your replies, and I of course
may be misunderstanding. I have taken much of your time so already so no need to reply if you are busy.
I have been thinking about your comments from your previous reply, and my concern is that from what I understood you said,
your student fa jin receivers must tense up their arms or body so the sender can send out the fa jin to them? However, I think with a
tai chi master the fa jin receiver does not need to tense up their arms or body at all. The tai chi master has developed the skill to always
be able to find the receiver’s center of gravity even if the receiver is trying their best not to tense up at all and trying their best to hide
their center of gravity, and no matter what body position they take. Thus to me, based on what I understood you said in your previous reply,
it does sound like your students must purposely cooperate with the fa jin sender and tense up parts of their body so the student fa jin sender can succeed
in delivering the force?  If the fa jin receiver relaxes their arms and body fully and tries their best not to be put off balance, (in other words, if the receiver doesn’t
deliberately cooperate with the student fa jin sender) then your students can’t deliver the fa jin well to the receiver?
Regards,
Ed
Round 5
Ed,
Thanks for your critical mind and I do wish to further clarify the fa jin situation so that you get a clear understanding and not to mis-understand any longer. Your mind are representing a major group of our audience. Your attitude on finding out the truth is highly appreciated and as I said, if it were the problem with a touch, so far none remains unsolved. Please read the following:
This last question is just based on what I have come to understand from your replies, and I of course may be misunderstanding. I have taken much of your time so already so no need to reply if you are busy.
??? Thanks for your appreciation that both of our time are valuable if we want to achieve something before leaving the world. Your correspondence could be useful for our member learning and they are definitely having the same problem in mind. This document has the chance of last long in our promotion media as you fix the problem and I can go further to explain  our momentum physics in operation.
I have been thinking about your comments from your previous reply, and my concern is that from what I understood you said, your student fa jin receivers must tense up their arms or body so the sender can send out the fa jin to them? However, I think with a tai chi master the fa jin receiver does not need to tense up their arms or body at all. The tai chi master has developed the skill to always
???As mention, most tai chi master mingle their jin with the strike and grab skills together in their demonstration while our group tend to isolate the three for study. That is why I mentioned it is another very long story in my last email. Here you  have to get a full picture via this follow up.  There are several situation that master do the fa jin, but seldom did any master know how to tune properly the response of srudent sensibly. Because they did not know what is a fair situation without refering to the Perfect Elasticity of the Conservation of Momentum. First, during some exciting performance by respectable masters like my own teachers. They combine the grab and lock skills in fa jin and tell the student to relax and follow their jin. Some of the students are already familiar with the being grab(not necessary by hand as seen from the meaning of words grab) and jumping into the air in a slight touch. The elbow are usually locked from the grabbing end of the hand, and the srudent follow the jin and tossed away. While the wrist and elbow are locked, it is a tightened situation and the force travel into the CG of student and fly away in an unbalance manner. For a pure internal momentum impact, we try to set our student as a static marble in place waiting for a single jin via the stick like lower arm bone. I adjust student hand to relax and touching  point onto fa jin person surface on the base of palm base so the lower arm act like a chop stick with its point end on fa jin person surface, thus they will not be hurted by the grabbing turnning of the body trunk. Thus I eliminate the grabing effect and let go prominent the fa jin phenomen on elastic surface. Furthermore, with a single jin going in a single direction, the effect can be detected and investigated, bit seldom did grand master do it in a single jin, usually several jin in series. This is a normal practise because a master is supoose to defeat and drive away enzyme in the past. But our group want to build up a school. For investigation to be effective, a single jin only and the jin reciever has to reflect the direction and magnitude of the momentum produced by the fa jin person if both were to improve in the next jin. By a series of jin and keep srudent jump has a lot of elements from different source(defense intention, grab, and internal jin), it complicate the situation and both the fa jin person and jin receiver has great difficulties to learn because, in scientific term, the control cannot be work out due to too many variable!
The second type has the student standing sticky onto the ground but a mscle disconnection inbetween on the upper part.  When the jin approaching is close enough, they have the upper body flying off backward first, just like jumping and then fall onto the ground lying flat for perhaps safty reason, in fact, it is not necessary, if the person can connect the upper and lower part of body as a single entity, like a ball fully inject with air pressure. If the jin receiver can fly away in this basketball state and both leg touching the groud and stable in the first ground touch, once with a foot touching the ground, he can return a jin. Thus a jin receiver should learn to be tossed away in a proper manner to allow the immediate interaction as early as even partially in the air.
Some students wete lined up like mummies and when the first fall, the other fall like a standing tabs in lines on by one. These student could be say as a bit backward leaning. There are other students just do the opposite who are in fact leaning forwards, when the master let go the first one from the side, the all fall forwards as they wish. Based on what should the jin receiver act in response to the fa jin person? Of course, if the jin reciever want to have a pushing hand challenge with the fa jin person, he can block the entry of jin into his body at different joint along the jin path before the Pillar. The most commonly seen action is the student unlock the jin bound at joint like elbow or arm, both could cause the momentum impact hitting right onto the body trunk if the fa jin person is skilful. Everybody know, if the strike were on the body trunck, that means the damage was directly on internal organs. But if the jin receiver can lock up slightly the limb joints, and connecting the internal path of jin, then he can fly away saftely in the demo. The impacting momentum was converted into the velocity of the jin receiver body movement and nothing is going in to hurt the body trunk! There are numerous strange situation that observed from no proper arrangement for the jin reciever students which I cannot finish telling all. The fa jin is also not very strong because there is already strong grabing skill on master body trunk. The students are trained to response accordingly as it were in their past training.
I think the fair way to set the jin reciever is in according to the Perfect elasticity condition which is another strong story for details. But it works like the bombardment of two snooker balls, so as to let the second ball travel in the magnitude and direction of the first ball momentum vector properties. Thus this arrangement can reflect the properties of the momentum of the fa jin person and with high safety standard if with our freeze single fa jin condition.  In snooker balls bombardment, with both ball surface hard enough in the elastic condition, the magnitude of momentum can be transferred in total to the second ball. Furthermore, because their mass are the same, thus in a direct head on collision, the second one will move on with the same speed of the first one. Thus you can see with the momentum transfer situation, if the second ball is smaller in mass but of the same size and hardness surface, the second ball will fly with a higher speed. If the second ball is of the same mass but of bigger size, then the second ball has a higher CG, the collision could not be head on, the secobd ball will jump to the skill with a slower speed because of the backward velocity has been discount with an angle factor according to the vector property of momentum. There are situatiin in like basketball, gilf, dancing etc. But one thing has to be clear, the momentum produced by fa jin person is of continuously internal  angular momentum, not the momentum attained from external source in snooker ball. There are quite a lot of insight in the momentum transfer in martial arts and sports. The focus is from all these observation, the jin receving snooker ball, basket ball, human body etc, will reflect the fa jin person momentum generated. It has advantage of telling both persons in the game to understand and improve. If during the jin transfer, the jin reciver dissolve the momentum by junior or seniir skills, both persons will not be able to improve. The skills involve to dissolve the immense power of momentum by body weight, is another long story for other time and is used in pushing hand interaction.
The interesting element embedded in the jin pushing hand is able to allow time for both to react, like playing the elementary ping pong, in that the ball is kept to-and-fro over the net for many time. If one give a hard bat, it is difficult to develop the ‘sticky hand and step follow’, ‘jin listening’ and ‘leave your will to follow other’ to achieve ‘last move but hit arrive first’ skills! In some sense, like player of chess that each has to take a step on alternation.
Thus I think it can be justify by using the rule of Conservation of Momentum to set the jin receiver. But, in order to achieve elastic condition, it does not need too much strength on limb and I always ask student to lock very slightly when the jin rushing in and let your body toosed in according to the properties of the jin. It is an arrangement and control by ‘will’ or mind without observable motion. If the student want to maintain a stable gyroscope ready for re-strike, he also has to land firm on the first touch of the ground, without rebounding a second time, this is also a mind control of body weight placing skills. Even if some people are able to absorb the momentum imoact on shoulder by using the big body mass to absorb the momentum, thus resulting in very slow speed, thus no observable distance can be observed externally. This is also a momentum transfer game. There is also some incident, that the fa jin person is able to act like a wall and rebound the tossing in challenger. Another momentum games. All request the ball to be hard and elastic. The hard surface can be achieved by a the chop stick end of the forearm bones. The elastic condition  has to depend on the stiff jin path internal over joints by tension. Thus, the highly interesting interaction between persons are from the alternation of locking and dislocking of joint to project the body weight and retreating the same body weight in subtle movement, it is called by ‘will not by strength’. Please forgive me of telling too long because of the interesting innate nature of tai chi kung Fu. Please also remind that I do not have mental problem and is not repeating the same phrase million time to made up the above message. In stead I try to explain the subject in different perspectives. Even if half of my saying is rubbish, still there is quite signifance amount of sentence for you to think of. I know even if there are strong science background, there are still difficulties as I come across them during my decades of teaching experience. But the momentum physics really solve out the mysterious power of fa jin. With the same nature as science, it predict the way to increase that power, which in turn provide logical and reasonable training practise for higher performance!
be able to find the receiver’s center of gravity even if the receiver is trying their best not to tense up at all and trying their best to hide their center of gravity, and no matter what body position they take. Thus to me, based on what I understood you said in your previous reply,
??? As explained above. The jin bound state for jin receiver to absorb jin is for effective training and attractive demonstration purpose by a single jin. Not for pushing hand or challenge interaction.
it does sound like your students must purposely cooperate with the fa jin sender and tense up parts of their body so the student fa jin sender can succeed in delivering the force?  If the fa jin receiver relaxes their arms and body fully and tries their best not to be put off balance, (in other words, if the receiver doesn’t deliberately cooperate with the student fa jin sender) then your students can’t deliver the fa jin well to the receiver?
??? As explained above. It is the different purposes in different situation. If the jin receiver person do not know how to protect himself and relaxed during a champion match, the he will be hurt very seriously and cannot stand until the end.
If the fa jin physics can easily be understand, then there could have logical prediction on the different approach to deal with fa jin kung Fu. Like a senior master from Taiwan, he comment our physics is too simple and cannot crack open the secret of fa jin, but in fact, in these few messages, you could start to feel the physics side alone is not that simple, not to say the biological side on applying the physics onto the body weight coorination. This message has been kept in our doc inside the Paradigm Corner page, worth you to have a look. My physics way are very easy to learn and I estimate I will only take two to three years, not the ten years cannot graduate rule in traditional tai chi house. With the proper platform for flowing of ideas by accurate bio-physics terms, several of my students are able to do some demo very mastery, a grand master standard but I am not yet able to post it out yet the total of over 700 tubes. The later the tubes, the more powerful my students. The other is not far away. With the TV program, I wish I could preserve the fa jin power by biofphysics on momentum!
I am of a person who are motivated by real substance and then would try to talk to the world. There are other topics which I mentioned earlier and I talk about them well too, but it is only after I really got the solid substance behind. If without the substance, I will feel it empty and like an air leaking balloon, no air to talk.
Best regards
William
Round 6

Ed,

For the completeness of the story, during the demo call ‘give him a lift’, the jin receiver must has his hip socket unlocked so as when I hit his CG from a lower angle, like snooker ball hitting from below, he will be tossed upwards and at this moment, my arms move him horizontally over a distance. It is important that the jin receiver has to lock up the knee and unlock the hip joint. Sometime, the fa jin person can feel it is the right moment to give him a lift. If the condition is not correct, more diificulties will be imoosed.

There are also masters who are inviting public to go up the stage to do the performance. But they are usually tuning the individual verbally to ensure he is stiff enough to receive the jin. My own teacher in some action that the jin receiver press on the back and fly away into the air and the performance is successful because the jin receiver is alawys very strong in limb muscle strength. My teacher as him to touch the back which is heavy and strong build by the thoracic bone and little jin bound is needed. When the situation is correct on both side of elasticity surface of contact, the demonstration is exciting. In another situation, in single whip, the jin bound is required to direct the jin to the limb of both person. But the jin receiver is afraod of her and just kept himself in relaxed state, she also fail to toss him off the ground. But if she is really mean the business, she can give him a direct strike or lock him up the limb bones into the corner position by grabbing skills too from the Single Whip.

The punching by jin squeeze is seldom selected for fa jin  because its damaging nature of KO your participing parnter. The jin On is also seledom selected for demonstration because there are no observable movement and the audience is always not able to understand the interaction in-between.
Public can only start to realize the things beneath the scene if there is observable movement as in playing snooker, dart etc.

Finally, although I always like to explain the momentum physics of tossing people, but there are difference between the game and fa jin interaction. One can do the fa jin well only if he can distinguish the difference behind. If it can be contrasted, then one can know how we act differently to dissolve and fight back opposition in ways we do. But this is another long story of a later stage. The current stage is how to do one single fa jin well by the gyroscope mechanics!

Hope it could settle your curiosity for the moment and I have to fix my other problem.

Regards
William